Addendum

After reading this book, you are probably very curious about the testimony of Marita Lorenz.  
Ideally, you should read Mark Lane's Plausible Denial, cover to cover, as the author did, which 
was the main impetus for Deadly by Degeree being written in the first place.  However, since in 
my opinion the Lorenz testimony is the most critical in the case, it is a simple process to include 
that testimony as an addendum to this book.  Readers who would like to read the other witness's 
testimony can get Plausible Denial at most libraries.  Given that Lorenz's deposition is a public 
document on file in the state of Florida, I feel it is not a violation of any copyright that I 
reproduce it in this piece.  

United States District Court, Southern District of Florida, Miami Florida, Case number 80-1121-
Civ-JWK. E. Howard Hunt, plaintiff, versus Liberty  Lobby defendant.  

Marita Lorenz was questioned as a witness in the above-mentioned case and her testimony was 
presented in a deposition made to Mark Lane, PC, attorney representing the defendant, Liberty 
Lobby, a publisher that had published an article written by Victor Marchetti which stated that E. 
Howard Hunt had been a conspirator in the plot to assassinate President John Fitzgerald 
Kennedy.  The questions and answers between Lane and Lorenz were as follows [quoted from 
Plausible Denial by Mark Lane (1991 Thunder's Mouth Press)]:

Q. What is your present employment?
A. I do undercover work for an intelligence agency.
Q. Are you permitted to discuss the nature of that work, or where you work?
A. No, I am not.
Q. Is it also true that, as I have stipulated, you do not wish to give your home address?
A. No. I do not.
Q. Have you been employed by the Central Intelligence Agency?
A. Yes.
Q. Are you at liberty to discuss the details of that employment?
A. No.
Q. Have you been employed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation?
A. Yes
Q. Are you at liberty to discuss that?
A. No.
Q. Have you been employed by the New York Police Department?
A. Yes.
Q. Was that intelligence work?
A. Yes.
Q. Are you at liberty to discuss the details of that work?
A. No.
Q. During 1978, did you appear as a witness before the United States House of Representatives 
Select Committee on Assassinations?
A. Yes.
Q. Was that in relation to the assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you appear as a witness after the chief judge of the United States district court of 
Washington had signed an offer conferring immunity upon you and compelling you to testify?
A. Yes.
Q. During and prior to November 1963, did you live in Miami, Florida?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. I want you to understand, if I ask you any question which you are not permitted to answer, 
you may of course say that, but I will try, based on my previous interview with you, to just ask 
you questions which you can answer.
A. Yes.
Q. During and before November 1963, did you work on behalf of the Central Intelligence 
Agency in the Miami area?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you work with a man named Frank Sturgis, while you were working for the CIA?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. Was that in Miami, during and prior to November 1963?
A. Yews.
Q. What other names, to your knowledge, is Frank Sturgis known by?
A. Frank Fiorini, Hamilton; the last name, Hamilton.  F-I-O-R-I-N-I.
Q. Was Mr. Fiorini or Mr. Sturgis, while you worked with him, also employed by the Central 
Intelligence Agency?
A. Yes.
Q. During that time were payments made to Mr. Sturgis for the work he was doing for the CIA?
A. Yes. 
Q. Did you ever witness anyone make payments to him for the CIA work which you and Mr. 
Sturgis were both involved in?
A. Yes.
Q. Who did you witness make payments to Mr. Sturgis?
A. A man by the name of Eduardo.
Q. Who is Eduardo? 
A. That is his code name.  His real name is E. Howard Hunt.
Q. Did you know him and meet him during and prior to November 1963?
A. Yes. 
Q. Did you witness payments made by Mr. Hunt to Mr. Sturgis or Mr. Fiorini on more than one 
occasion prior to November of 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you go on a trip with Mr. Sturgis from Miami during November of 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. Was anyone else present with you when you went on that trip?
A. Yes.
Q. What method of transportation did you use?
A. By car.
Q. Was there one or more cars?
A. There was a follow-up car.
Q. Does that mean two cars?
A. Backup; yes.
Q. What was in the follow-up car, if you know?
A. Weapons.
Q. Without asking you any of the details regarding the activity that you and Mr. Sturgis and Mr. 
Hunt were involved in, may I ask you if some of that activity was related to the transportation of 
weapons?
A. Yes.
Q. Did Mr. Hunt pay Mr. Sturgis sums of money for activity related to the transportation of 
weapons?
A. Yes.
Q. Did Mr. Sturgis tell you where you would be going from Miami, Florida, during November of 
1963, prior to the time that you traveled with him in the car?
A. Dallas, Texas.
Q. He told you that?
A. Yes.
Q. Did he tell you the purpose of the trip to Dallas Texas?
A. No; he said it was confidential.
Q. Did you arrive in Dallas during November of 1963.
A. Yes.
Q. After you arrived in Dallas, did you stay at any accommodations there?
A. Motel.
Q. While you were at that motel, did you meet anyone other than those who were in the party 
traveling with you from Miami to Dallas?
A. Yes.
Q. Who did you meet?
A. E. Howard Hunt.
Q. Was there anyone else who you saw or met other than Mr. Hunt?
A. Excuse me?
Q. Other than those?
A. Jack ruby.
Q. Tell me the circumstances regarding your seeing E. Howard Hunt in Dallas in November of 
1963.
A. There was a prearranged meeting that E. Howard Hunt deliver us sums of money for the so-
called operation that I did not know its nature.
Q. Were you told what your role was to be?
A. Just a decoy at the time.
Q. Did you see Mr. Hunt actually deliver money to anyone in the motel room which you were 
present in?
A. Yes.
Q. To whom did you see him deliver the money?
A. He gave an envelope of cash to Frank Fiorini.
Q. When he gave him the envelope, was the cash visible as he had it in the envelope?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you have a chance to see the cash after the envelope was given to Mr. Fiorini?
A. Frank pulled out the money and flipped it and counted it and said "that is enough" and put it 
in his jacket.
Q. How long did Mr. Hunt remain in the room?
A. About forty-five minutes.
Q. Did anyone else enter the room other than you, Mr. Fiorini, Mr. Hunt and others who may 
have been there before Mr. Hunt arrived?
A. No.
Q. Where did you see the person you identified as Jack Ruby?
A. After Eduardo left, a fellow came to the door and it was Jack Ruby, about an hour later, 
forty-five minutes to an hour later.
Q. When you say Eduardo, who are you referring to?
A. E. Howard Hunt.
Q. When did that meeting take place in terms of the hour; was it daytime or nighttime?
A. Early evening.
Q. How soon after that evening meeting took place did you leave Dallas?
A. I left about two hours later; Frank took me to the airport and we went back to Miami.
Q. Now, can you tell us in relationship to the day that President Kennedy was killed, when this 
meeting took place?
A. The day before.
Q. Is it your testimony that the meeting which you just described with Mr. Hunt making the 
payment of money to Mr. Sturgis took place on November 21, 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. When was the first time that you met me?
A. In 1977.
Q. On that occasion, did you tell me in words or substance exactly the same thing that you have 
testified today?
A. Yes.
Q. Two days after President Kennedy was assassinated, that is on November 24, 1963, Lee 
Harvey Oswald, who was arrested and charged with the assassination of President Kennedy and 
the murder of police officer J.D. Tippit, was killed in Dallas by a man named Jack Ruby?
A. Yes.
Q. On that occasion and subsequent to that time, did you see pictures of Jack Ruby in the 
newspaper and did you see Jack ruby on television?
A. Yes I did.
Q. Is it your testimony that the man who killed Lee Harvey Oswald is, to the best of your ability 
to identify him, the person who was in the room in the motel in Dallas the night before the 
President was killed?
A. Yes.
Q. Had you ever seen Jack Ruby before November 21, 1963?
A. No.


What follows is the cross-examination of Marita Lorenz by E. Howard Hunt's attorney.

[When asked about her early experience for the CIA in Cuba, Lorenz replied: "I will tell you 
what is on record.  I stole secrets from Cuba.  I was trained to kill.  Anything else?"]


Q. Is it your testimony today, that today's testimony is consistent with what you said before the 
House Select Committee?
A. That's right.
Q. When was the first time you met Howard Hunt?
A. 1960 in Miami, Florida.
Q. How was he identified to you?
A. Introduced.  Introduced as Eduardo.
Q. How do you spell that?
A. E-D-U-A-R-D-O, Eduardo, E-D-U-A-R-D-O.  He was to finance the operations in Miami.
Q. What language did he speak to you in?
A. English and Spanish.
Q. English and Spanish?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you speak Spanish?
A. Yes.
Q. Any other languages?
A. German.
Q. When is it that you became aware that this person you know as Eduardo was E. Howard 
Hunt?
A. About the same time.  Eduardo was the name we were to refer to him as, when discussing 
things.
Q. Who did you believe he was working for at that time?
A. CIA.
Q. Why?
A. Because we were all at that time CIA members of Operation 40.  We had been given 
instructions from Eduardo and had certain rights and permissions to do things that the average 
citizen could not do.

[In a pre-deposition interview, Lorenz had reluctantly told Lane, in response to his inquiry about 
the names of other persons in the two-car caravan from Miami to Dallas:  "They killed Kennedy.  
I don't want to be the one to give their names; it's too dangerous."  She  did not want any 
testimony regarding the occupants of the second car to go on record but Lane warned her that 
Hunt's attorney could ask the question on cross examination--which indeed he did.]

Q. [Who was the other person riding in the automobile with you?]
A. The other one was Jerry Patrick–
Q. Jerry Patrick?
A. Hemming.
Q. Is that, H-E-M-M-I-N-G?
A. Yes.  [She added that two Cuban brothers named Novis and a pilot named Pedro Diaz Lanz 
were also in the caravan.]
Q. Did you see the weapons in the second car?
A. Yes.
Q. What kind of weapons were there?
A. Hand guns and automatics.
Q. Could you identify for me today what kind of guns they were, specifically?
A. Rifles, there were cases of machine guns, rifles, thirty-eights, forty-fives.
Q. Have you been trained in firearms?
A. Yes.
Q. What were the kind of rifles that were there?
A. M-16's, M-1's, shotguns; several.
Q. There were machine guns?
A. Yes.
Q. In your work for the CIA Operation 40, was that one of the major tasks you undertook  was 
to transport guns?
A. Yes.
Q. Was that for the anti-Cuba activities?
A. Yes, it was.
Q. What happened to those guns when you got to Dallas?
A. They were in the car and I presume they took them to the motel the next day, the next night.  
A lot of things they carried in.
Q. Where did you leave from?
A. From the house in Miami.
Q. Is that a CIA house?
A. A safe house.  Yes.
Q. Did everyone meet at the same place?
A. Yes.
Q. Who else was at the house, besides the seven people you identified?
A. This fellow is incarcerated; it is not fair to answer.  Another fellow is dead. 
Q. Incarcerated where?
A. Out of the country, right now.  Venezuela somewhere.
Q. Is his name Bosch?
A. Yes.
Q. What is his first name?
A. Orlando.
Q. Was he one  of the anti-Castro Cubans involved in Operation 40?
A. Yes.
Q. Isn't that a matter of public record.
A. Yes.
[At this point, Mark Lane, Defense Counsel, interrupted to state:  "It is not a matter of public 
record that he was at the house that day.  Be fair with the questions.  She is not represented by 
counsel.  She may well have violated the law on numerous occasions in response to your 
questions."]
Q. Who was the person at the house that is now deceased?
A. Alexander Rorke, Jr.
Q. Is he a CIA employee?
A. Yes.
Q. What did you do after you got to New York and found out that President Kennedy was just 
assassinated in Dallas?
A. Talked to the FBI.
Q. You talked to the FBI?
A. Yes.
Q. Voluntarily?
A. They wanted to talk to me anyway about certain things with my child's father and they picked 
me up and took me to the office.
Q. What day would that have been?
A. A few days after I arrived, after everyone got over the initial shock.
Q. It would be some time in the month of November of 1963.
A. Yes.
Q. Did they ask you about each of those people?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you tell them about the guns and money and about Eduardo?
A. Yes.
Q. I will have to start again because the court reporter cannot take nods down.
A. I was nodding yes, to each.
Q. What was your answer?
A. They asked me about everything, my daughter's father [Fidel Castro], and I am glad I am back 
up here away from that.
Q. You told them about Eduardo?
A. Yes.
Q. And the guns?
A. They know about all those associations.  They didn't want to 
go into it.  Those were CIA activities, not FBI.

[In response to a question concerning why Lorenz had left Dallas before the assassination, she 
replied: "I knew that this was different from other jobs.  This was not just gunrunning.  This was 
big, very big, and I wanted to get out.  I told Sturgis I wanted to leave.  He said it was a very big 
operation but that my part was not dangerous.  I was to be a decoy.  Before he could go further, 
I said please let me get out.  I want to go back to my baby in Miami.  Finally he agreed and 
drove me to the airport."  Ms. Lorenz flew to Miami, got her child then flew to New York to 
stay with her mother in New Jersey.]

Q. Did you ever talk with Frank Sturgis about it, since then?
A. We are not on talking terms, Frank and I.
Q. That was not my question.  Have you ever talked about it with Frank Sturgis since 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. Did he indicate to you that he was involved in the assassination of the president?
A. Yes.

[Hunt's lawyer was asking delicate questions that Mark Lane, 
Defense Counsel, had been requested by Lorenz to avoid.  She 
was uncomfortable answering but did answer.   In response to 
one question, Lorenz said that Sturgis had told her that she had 
missed "the really big one" in Dallas.  He explained, she said, 
"We killed the president that day.  You could have been a part 
of it–you know, part of history.  You should have stayed.  It 
was safe.  Everything was covered in advance.  No arrests, no 
real newspaper investigation.  It was all covered, very 
professional."]