CBR: ... in 1980, I'm still doing these missions, but I'm getting all
of these various intel lines now coming together. 'Cause I'm moving
all over the U. S. mostly and I started realizing that there was a little
bit of some kind of criticism coming up after this little Comm-Ev, which
I got out of by using my Kha-Khan. Because the Boss had given me a Kha-Khan
in 1976, I believe it was, or 75.
He said I was the most successful ship's Captain and Missionaire, and
so on like that . So I used one of my Kha-Khan things and got out of
that Comm-Ev.
... I debrief on all of this data that I found out about the plants.
I debriefed on everything I found out about the Clearwater suppression
of the Church and the building down there. I debriefed on some data
I had found out about John Cole. You remember John Cole?
Page 64, Garrison's book. We saw him down in Clearwater there and
he was overheard talking to a taxi-driver about "raiding"
the Church in Clearwater and planning some actions against them. I reported
that to the GO Flag there, and they checked it out. They interviewed
the taxi-driver. He gave them a debrief on tape. It was all just as
I said. Now that was Molly Bernstein (AG Flag at the time).
The data is with Molly Bernstein. She has a whole tape on it done by
me and a tape done by Dafna.
Anyway, I went back to PAC. I debriefed to the HCO Exec Sec, Janadir
Swanson, in the CMO there. And we also realized that from Dafna's
data, that the Clearwater elections could be influenced. Because she
was being asked by the pro-Scientology candidate to be the PR person
to tell him what all the "buttons" were and how to best put
the Church's point of view forth in Clearwater so that he could be elected.
And the GO didn't want to hear about this. They didn't want the guy
elected. He was pro-Scientology, by the way. So when I got back, I debriefed
on all this and I said, "Something's wrong in the GO, there's too
many plants around here."
We had run into this one in Clearwater, this was a definite Government
agent named Nancy Sadgwick, Nancy Sadgwick. Obviously operating
for the "evil side of the force" as you might say. She was
trying to keep any upstat person off the lines, and anybody that could
upset the little "applecarts" of the Government, and was preventing
or shooting anyone that went out and did PR in Clearwater. Anyone that
tried to make friends in Clearwater, she would just shoot the shit out
of them, or threaten them. She would keep people off lines, declare
them PTS III, just the general suppression.
Anyway, I also found out from an entirely separate source at this time
data about an upcoming "coup" in Mexico, which could affect
our operations down there, and I debriefed on that, and this was from
a source, an old friend of mine who was a gun runner. He had nothing
to do with Scientology but it could affect our operations down there.
And I asked them to check upon that because it gave names of the Government
officials involved in it. And this was a "coup" in Mexico
against the Government. It was going to... - it had to do with the oil
business... - didn't have to do with Scientology, but we had friends
in the Mexican Government and I thought it might affect them so I gave
them that, and debriefed to the CMO on all this. By the way, I had also
telexed to LRH and MSH this data on John Cole being in Clearwater,
because I knew wherever that sucker was, there was always some CIA action
following it up, or some kind of infiltration action. And also, that
we had important data on how to handle the elections in Clearwater and
get our candidate elected, and so forth.
But the telexes were not forwarded thru to LRH or MSH, although I'd
been working for them for 15 years. They were stopped by the CMO and
stopped by Jimmy Mulligan when they were sent over to the GO.
And therefore, the next thing that came to me was... - I was being Comm-Ev'ed.
Now why was I being Comm-Ev'ed? What crime? They didn't have one. They
were just doing the Comm-Ev to "find out things". I said,
"Well, I have just debriefed for 3 days now and my wife has debriefed
for 3 days down there and she's also got pneumonia now from all the
suppression and non-belief of people. Now what more do you want? We've
already been thru two Comm-Evs down there and you've cancelled both
of them. Now, what is the point of all this?" And they didn't have
a point. All they wanted to do is Comm-Ev me, and I found out really,
that all they wanted to do was shoot me because I was getting too close
to the truth. And the GO had told the CMO to get rid of me because I
was "upsetting"... - you know, I was "hallucinating"
and I was going crazy, and all that kind of stuff.
The CMO has no intelligence service. They have no idea of running a
B-1. They have no idea of any kind of information gathering other than
org stats, and so on. And therefore, they totally obeyed the GO, thought
I was hallucinating, and Comm-Ev'ed me.
And they had to take the results up three times because the Committee
wanted to let me off twice for following the "Vital Data"
policy, which is, "Whenever you have vital data, you report it
up to Command. If you don't, you are committing an overt." Well,
that's what I was following. And anyway, the data still didn't get up
to Command, by the way. You have to realize this, LRH didn't get it,
neither did Mary Sue.
So the Committee finally... - this guy, Jay Okamoto, who was
over the Committee of course, he was the HCO Area Sec, Convening Authority,
he decided that I was to be shot very dead, and he did. And that was
what you saw as the "out-security", and so on like that. The
basic "out-security" was I finally got my wife to come up
and be a witness at my Comm-Ev and, of course, she didn't have "clearance"
to come up there, so when I drove her in to be a witness at my Comm-Ev
- well, then that was the out-security and I said, "Yes, now you
have a crime, now you can shoot me." And so they did. Anyway, that
was that. And I said, "Boy, I don't play this game anymore. I'm
not going to Q & A with it. I'm going to go all the way to the top,
get all these son-of-bitches hung. That's it."
So I went off, I got demoted down to PAC and they "said"
in the Comm-Ev, which is an illegal Comm-Ev by the way, all this stuff
was removed. Rank, Kha-Khan, all of this kind of stuff gone, you see.
So I'm now, though - I'm in a different game. I'm now playing the game
of, "I'm going to clear up LRH's Church and he's not here or he's
not in contact with me to help me out of this one, so I'm going to get
out of it myself. And I'm going to do it right. I'm going to get all
the evidence on these son-of-a-bitches and I'm going to put it to the
right people and they're going to 'nail them' ". So I did.
I went out to PAC and I had a nice job there as Design and Planning
in the Estates Area. And since I was only an "AB", I could
do anything I wanted really. And I went to the government buildings
and I tried to get thru to Mary Sue and I got data on various things
on Mulligan. I got a whole debrief on him that I put into the files
in HCO FOLO where I had a helpful terminal there named Marge Bryenton.
She was the Ethics Officer in the PAC area. And I got all the data I
could find there to Joe Lisa, who was an old Sea Org GO guy,
and DGIUS.
And I started coming across new data. And the new data I came across
was that there was another guy sitting in the L.A. area who was a big
plant and his name was Alan Hubbert. And I'll tell you how that
data came across: Because I ran into this girl who had gone out, several
years back, with an FBI agent. He was not an American guy. He was an
English guy who worked for the FBI. He was sort of like a "hired
gun" sometimes.
And they had asked him to take part in a plot... and a part of an FBI
operation... a clandestine one... to infiltrate the Church of Scientology.
Since he was English, you see, it would be very obvious that he wasn't
an American and not an FBI agent therefore. And they asked him to infiltrate
the Church.
And he refused. He said, "I don't like to play those kind of games.
I like to go after gun-runners and drug addicts and all that kind of
stuff." So they said "OK". So he didn't join it. But
they took him out meanwhile to see the place where they were running
it from.
And it was a building in Encino, California and they had a cover
there as an Insurance Company, the Zenith Insurance Company.
And he refused the deal, you know, he saw all the files they had on
us, and all the stuff they'd stolen in 1977. He saw all that stuff.
And he said, "They got tons of stuff on you." And he warned
the girl. He didn't know at first she was a Scientologist, and when
he found out he said,"You better get out of that thing, honey".
And she said, "Why?" And he said, "Well, because the
FBI guys are doing a number on you. And I don't know if you're safe
in there or not." So she said, "Why?" And he told her
this story. And then he took her by the building and showed it to her.
Now, she took all the data and went to this guy Alan Hubbert,
who was AG Information Los Angeles at the time. This was about 1978,
79.
Anyway, this girl who had the boyfriend who was the FBI guy - his name
was Ranson Justice. Now, he was English and he had worked for
the MI6 guys in England and so on. But mainly, he had to leave England
because he had finally gotten involved in some kind of violent things
and he had to come over to the U.S. And so he worked part time for the
FBI. Anyway, he drove her by the place, showed her the building, then
she said, "Well, would you come by and tell this to somebody in
the Church? Because you know, freedom of religion and all that stuff."
And he said, "Well...ah..no. If they ever found out that I told
anybody, man...they'd kill me". And she said, "Ah, come on
now. Please." She finally prevailed on him.
And so he went over with her and they had a private meeting with
Alan Hubbert. Told the story to him. And he listened. And then they
went away. And then the girl came back to him the next day to say, "What's
going to be done about it?" And he said, "Well, here."
And he gave her the order that declared her PTS III, and he said, "I
don't believe a word of it. That guy's lying," and so on like that.
And she was so shook up, she didn't know what to do. You know, she
was just sort of sitting there dazed. She couldn't go to the Org. She
was PTS III. She couldn't get out of it now, and so she went back home
and she was just laying in bed with the lights out and thinking, "What
the hell. I just tried to help the Church. I just tried to give them
some data. What happened, huh? What happened?"
And then, all of a sudden, she heard a knock on the door, and she didn't
hear a car come up, and it was this guy Ranson. And he came in and she
said, "I didn't hear your car, honey." And he said, "I
can't come in a car, I can't come in here anymore. I gotta leave town."
And she said, "Why?" He said, "There's a contract out
on me." And she says, "What?" And he says, "Somebody
spilled the beans. That guy we talked to or something had a pipeline
to the FBI and they got a contract out on me. I'm to be shot. On sight,
by any agent."And she said, "What!" He says, "Yeah,
I told you it was a serious thing, honey. Anyway, I gotta go now."
So he kissed her and all that and then he left, and she cried the rest
of the night.
And then she went back to Alan Hubbert and tried to get it
handled and told him what had happened. And he said, "Ah, it's
all hallucination and bullshit, and nobody's really doing anything,"
and so on like that, and "Don't tell anybody about this. Or you
will be declared Suppressive." So she went on like that for 6 months,
thinking that she was under some kind of investigation or PTS trip,
or Suppressive threat of declare. And suddenly she woke up and said,
"Wait a minute. This is all bullshit. I don't want anything to
do with those assholes!"
And so she went out to open up some Field Scientology by herself. And
she was working in different areas, and so on like that. And I don't
prefer to give her name on the tape because she may be working in some
area right now that are knocking out some SMERSH people. I've
told her a lot of things that are happening and if you want to investigate
anybody, investigate Alan Hubbert, and find out if that's true or not.
Anyway, so I started looking at this guy Alan Hubbert and I suddenly
realized there's this whole Black PR campaign going on in the PAC area
against myself and my wife. And I traced it down... "Who told you
this?" - "Who told you that?" - ...They said we were
"crazy", my wife was "PTS" or "SP" and
I was "PTS", and I was "hallucinating". It was still
going on. It was constant, constant, constant, even though Bob Thomas
had been declared Suppressive years ago.
Now who was pushing this shit? Pushing it to the CMO. Pushing it to
the Ethics Officer. Pushing it to everybody. See? So I went around and
traced it back, traced it back, traced it back, and finally it ended
up at Alan Hubbert's desk. He was the AGI out there. And the next thing
you know, I'm writing up these reports on Alan Hubbert, "He's sending
out Black PR, I want to see him in a Comm-Ev tomorrow," and so
on like that.
I started asking for these Comm-Evs, you see. To the Ethics Officer,
to the AG, and so on like this. And everybody is scared. Now they're
getting scared. People start getting scared. "Oh, we can't do that,
no, on the GO, no, we can't do that." I said, "I want a Comm-Ev
right now. I want that son-of-a-bitch here. I want him on a meter. That
son-of-a-bitch! I think he's a plant." They'd say, "Oh no,
you can't say that!" I'd say, "I'm saying it. I want him in
a Comm-Ev right now. We can prove it."
So anyway, I was doing that kind of thing. Pounding the table and all.
Everybody left me alone. They left me totally alone. Nobody would even
talk to me.
So the next thing you know, I go out and get on my bike one day with
my wife and I find, when I get in a gas station before I go on the freeway
- my tire is cut. All the way around. From one ear to the other. It's
totally sliced with a knife. Very clean. All the way down, nearly to
the tube, and the tube was already poking out in a big balloon.
If I had gone on the freeway, the thing would have flattened out and
I might have gotten killed under a bunch of cars and trucks. So I find
it and replace the tire and I know it was a knife cut. So I'm going
to get my bike parked in front of the QM next time. This is really strange.
It was a nice clean cut. It's not like some slash or something. It was
a professionally done job. It was like all the way around the tire.
So I went back the next day and rode up to work early in the morning
and some guys I knew from SU drive up and they say, "Oh, Capt.
Bill, hey, you're out of the hospital, huh? You look alright! We heard
about the big accident you had." I said, "What accident?"
They said, "Oh, we heard you and your wife got hurt on the freeway
in a motorcycle accident." I said, "Really? No shit. Who told
you that?" They said, "Oh, we heard it from the courier. The
courier came out to SU and heard it from the PAC area." Of course,
now they had to believe it was all a lie, because I didn't have no accident.
So I went back and I grabbed the courier and I said, "Where did
you get this from?" And he says, "Oh, I heard it from somebody
in the CMO." So I went to the CMO and I talked with them and said,
"Who did you hear this from? It didn't happen. Where did you hear
it from?" So, they had heard it from this girl that "tells
them things" from the GO. And this girl worked for Alan Hubbert.
So I went to find her and I found her in a cafe. My wife and I sat
down across from her and we just pointed at her and I said, "You're
going to be in a Comm-Ev. You've been lying about us, spreading false
rumors about Scientologists," and so on like that. And she just
dropped her knife and fork and started looking very "glazed"
and "terror-eyed" and everything like that and she said,"I...uh...uh."
I said, "You spread that rumor about the accident, didn't you.
You know that Alan Hubbert had the tire slashed on my motorcycle. You
know he tried to kill us, didn't you. You're in it for attempted murder
and you're an accessory before the fact."
And she went, "Uh...uh..please! Please! I can't talk about it.
Don't tell anybody!" I said, "Who ordered you to do that?"
She said, "I can't tell you, it's GO business. I can't tell you!"
And I said, "It's Alan Hubbert, isn't it?" She said, "uh...yes,
yes, but don't tell him! Don't tell him! He'll kill me!" I said,
"OK, I won't tell him."
So we left her there sort of slobbering into her...- she was a, you
know, one of those GO hangers-on you know... - people that go and do
Black PR for the GO.
So we went back over and I sat down with Dafna and we sat down there
and wrote and typed up a whole bunch of reports on this whole thing
and turned them over to the Ethics Officer in FOLO there, and sent copies
up to the GO and to Fred Hare and anybody else we could think
of, you see, and I said, "Now we want a Comm-Ev on this guy because
now it is attempted murder."
And then, the next thing was that Jimmy Mulligan, "himself"
right?... - now by the way I had been talking to Joe Lisa. I
told Joe Lisa about this. He was the DGI United States and he knew the
whole story. I told him the whole thing, my suspicions about Mulligan
and now told him my suspicions about Alan Hubbert, and Lisa's getting
cotton-mouthed and he can't even take it. He's scared. He's frightened
because these are his seniors, huh? Not Hubbert, but Mulligan is his
senior. And he's all cotton-mouthed and frightened and everything like
this, you know.
And I said, "Check it out. Check it out. Just go look." So
he started looking. And he checked John Cole. And he found he
was a CIA agent. And he found he had done this and that and he was trained
in the "terror school", and he might have had something to
do with this and that and the other thing, and he was totally "rabid"
against the Church. And then he found out that Bob Thomas had
put some stuff in my file in 1968 saying I was "hallucinating".
And he checked on the psychiatrist in Beverly Hills. And he found out
the guy did leave town. And the guy was in some kind of organization
that they knew was a SMERSH organization, and he checked on the doctor
in the County General Hospital and found out that was his name and the
guy had left town that night. And he checked on this and that and he
found that everything I was saying was TRUE.
All the way up the line. And all of a sudden, he was ordered off. He
couldn't do it anymore. Mulligan told him. He was scared. He
told me, "I can't do it anymore. I can't look anymore, I can't
look anymore." I said, "Well, OK, you're chicken shit, man.
That's all it is." He accepted it. He said, "Yeah, I don't
wanna..." So said, "OK, I'll have to get that son-of-a-bitch
myself." So I started trying to get hold of Mary Sue. And I got
ahold of Mary Sue's auditor, that I knew was her secret auditor and
her NOTS auditor. I got ahold of him and tried to get him to deliver
a message. He was afraid to do it. He wouldn't do it. It was just a
message to meet her, you know and talk to her. He wouldn't do it. He
was afraid.
We went to Fred Hare's wedding and tried to talk to Jane. We
figured Jane might want to do something about it, since she was lined
up to go to jail. And Dafna went up, and I went up and Dafna said, "Jane,
we have some important information for you about the GO," and so
on like that. "We know some things are happening and we'd like
to talk with you about them." And Jane went, "Oh...! That's
a very touchy subject. I don't want to talk to you about it...no...no."
She was scared, too.
So meanwhile, I went back to this girl that had told me all about
Ranson Justice and all this stuff, and I said, "Look, would
you guys like to help me?" (Her and a couple of her friends, you
see?) So I said, "Would you guys like to help me and let's handle
this goddamn thing ourselves. Let's go bust into the FBI place or at
least surveil it and get a demonstration going out there and, you know,
get the files back, and expose them to the press, because the GO's all
chickenshit and they won't do anything about it." And she said,
"Oh, well, yeah, we'd like to help you. Let's get Joe Lisa
over here and try one more time."
So we got Joe Lisa over there and we told him all the things
again, gave him tapes... - she gave him a tape recording of her whole
story - ...and he was so frightened he had to drink a glass of water
to be able to talk. And then he called her up the next day and told
her that the FBI will "kill her and her friends" if they do
what I had planned, which was to go out and harass them out at this
place in Encino. The FBI will "kill" her and "they might
take your life and all and then we'd have to declare you Suppressive."
And he (Joe Lisa) told her that stuff. He was under the influence of
Mulligan by this time.
And then when I went over to see them to find out what had happened,
they all sat on the couch looking afraid, and they told me, "So
we can't help you anymore Captain Bill, we're afraid. And we've decided...uh...that
when we get up the Bridge a little more, maybe we'll be able to do something."
They were all chickenshit. They were all shaking in their boots. And
I called them all cowards right to their faces and they accepted that.
And they knew it was true and they were cowards.
They wouldn't look. Joe Lisa wouldn't look. None of these people...
they wouldn't look. They wouldn't do anything about it. I was telling
them: These are the guys. Get them out of there. These are the evil
guys. These are the agents of the Government. These are the enemy sitting
right in your midst. And they wouldn't do anything about it. So I said,
"I've got to get to Mary Sue or Ron. They are the only people that
will have the...see, I'm an AB now, right? So, I'm gonna get these guys.
I'm going to get them. So I'm going to get to Mary Sue."
So I went down to the government office building and tried to get her
address from them... from the Attorney General's people down there,
the court people, that were trying her. And all they gave me was Mulligan's
address over at the Cedars. In the Legal Department, run by his wife,
Anne Mulligan.
... We found some horrible stuff about how the Field in San Francisco
was destroyed by another... oh, by the way... this is another plant,
from San Francisco area. A girl named Kathy O'Gorman, used to
be the AG at Flag. She's definitely suppressive. Tried to destroy every
successful person in the San Francisco area. Then came down to Flag
and did a totally ineffective job against the Clearwater Mafia.
And she was so sweet... and 1.1... everybody "loved" her...
I'm sorry, I thought she was great myself, at one time. But then I found
out the data and... if you investigate it, just ask anybody that has
run a franchise in the San Francisco area in the early 70's, and you'll
find out what she did to them.
She actually was the one who declared Werner Erhart, before
he started EST. And all he was doing was trying to make a way
to make a lot of money for the Church up there and he wanted them to
do his new introductory course. And she said, "No, that's squirrel!"
And "You're declared," and so on like that, without even listening
to the guy. So he went off and founded EST. So she's actually the person
that... - you could call her responsible for... - starting up a squirrel
group. She didn't have any Justice in the area. It was just, "Shoot
them, shoot them, shoot them. Declare them PTS Type III, shoot them,
shoot them." Like that. Anyway, that's not Scientology, and we
all know that. (CBR-debrief
from 1982)
1980