PERSISTENCE AND LIES
 
Phil Scott (philscott@philscott.net) wrote:

     Phil is not a scientologist.  Do not expect to learn any
significant scientology from him.
 
     Scn and Adore have a very definite point of view regarding the
relationship between Native State and Manifestation, between static
and kinetic, between Eternality and Temporality.

     Whether one agrees with this point of view or not is a matter of
doctrinal differences.
 
     Meatballs think they are meat, dreamballs think they are not.
 
     Which is crazier, the meatball that thinks it is a dreamball, or
the dreamball that thinks it is a meatball?
 
>  Hubbard said lies make things persist... bzzzzzzzzzttt. 

     Scn holds that persistence in time is caused by alter-is of
original manifestation.  Of course the Eternal state lasts forever,
and it is the only actuality, Basic Truth.  But that's not PERSISTENCE
which is persistence IN TIME.

     Anything manifested is mere reality, not actuality, color forms
in consciousness at best, and they can vanish upon inspection unless
carried further into the machinations of time.

     Humor results from the assertion that a mere reality is an
actuality.
 
     The imposterousness results in preposterousness.
 
     This is the basic modus operandi of Native State for an actuality
to assert a reality, for an Eternality to assert a Temporality as an
actuality, and hold it to be so.
 
     An original manifestation can be made to persist in the TEMPORAL
state via the addition of significance, which is the first lie, and
then by denial of desirability which is the second lie, then by by
question asking, which is the third lie.

     Guy makes something, that's a posted beingness, a postulate.

     That's a vanishing truth, he let's go of it, and it's gone.
 
     But instead the guy says well now this thing is an ashtray used
to hold cigarettes made by Reynold's Tobacco Co.  That's an added
significance, take a look at an ashtray until you forget who made it
and what its FOR.  When it becomes just an IS, it will start to vanish
on you personally.  The added significance is a consideration, CON
SIDE, to side together, to assign cause of, use, intent, purpose etc
to.

     To consider means to conside, to side or put together in
relation.  The relation is a CREATED relation, just as the original
manifestation was a created manifestation.
 
     Ashtray - Cigarette, two objects consided together form a
persisting manifestation via added significance tieing them together.

     Time is introduced by the added significance becuase its a CHANGE
from the original manifestation.  You see the thetan made something
with no idea what it is, then INVENTS what it is after the fact.  Sort
of like song writers who write the music first and words second.
First they get the song, then they figure out what its about!
 
     "Hmm, nice tune dude, I wonder if this is going to be a love song
or not?"
 
     This added significance results in a persisting truth.

     "WHAT IT IS" is an added significance and produces a persisting
truth.
 
     It is an ashtray used to hold cigarettes made by Reynolds Tobacco
Co, and its persisting, and that's the Truth.  Its a temporal truth
however, a CREATED truth.  It was created out of whole cloth, out of
nothing by the being, as was the added significance.
 
     Then he says I HATE ashtrays, and cigarettes, I didn't make
these, I WOULDN'T HAVE, COULDN'T HAVE, SHOULDN'T have made these
things, they only kill people with cancer etc, WHY DO THEY EXIST?

     "Why is it," means "It is, Why?"

     The question itself locks into existence the ashtray and
cigarette.  You can't ask why is it, without assuming it is, and thus
CAUSING it to be.  The QUESTION is locking in the persistence!  That's
the joke and the 'God Postulate'.

     A 'God Postulate' is that postulate which the pc thinks is true
by observation but which is actually true by consideration.  In other
words he thinks he has observed something to be true before he
considered it to be true, when in fact he considered it true first and
THEN observed it to be true.  By getting the sequence right, the pc
can then retract the causal postulate and be done with the
persistence.

     Read that again until you understand it.  The world persists
because the pc has causality ass backwards.  Its not off by just a
little bit, its 180 degress wrong way to.
 
     So he's denying he made or agree to the things, that's a lie, and
then he's asking a question pretending the question isn't the answer
to itself, and that's another lie.

     So now you have a persisting lie.

     He hates ashtrays and cigarettes, he has no responsibility for
their existence, and he has no clue why they continue to exist or how
to get rid of them.  Lie, lie, lie, lie.
 
     Then he throws a lot of force on the thing and blacks it out, and
there ain't no more ashtray or cigarette and never was.  He becomes a
'What ashtray?  case'.

     That's a not-isness or a vanishing lie.

     Anything the pc is protesting has an original manifestation, an
added significance, and then followed by a denial of desirability,
question asking and finally forceful making nothing of.
 
     Thus all persistence is persistence of lies.

     Since ANY manifestation is a limitation of Native State, ANY
manifestation is a loss, so all persistences are persistences of loss,
and all losses are lies.

     "ALL manifestation is a pock mark on the face of God" - Sufis
 
     The being engages in manifesting losses for fun, practical jokes
on self.  He seeks to get lost so he can play the game of finding his
way home.  He will be so glad to get home he will be glad he left.
 
     He will however make it very hard to find his way home, much too
much fun being stuck in tar with his friends.
 
     "Thrill is always the effort to get lost, Romance is always the
effort to get home, Halcyon is bemused relief on the verge of time." -
Adore.

     Address to case then is to find out what conditions the pc is
suffering from, and bring them back up from 'not there' (not-isness)
to 'there' (is-ness), and then spot the question asking, denial of
desirability, and added significance (alter-isness) on the creation
until it is returned to a pure manifestation or as-isness.  Then the
guy lets go and it vanishes.

     NATIVE STATE - Unmanifest - Basic (absolute) Truth
     Manifestation - AS-ISNESS - vanishing (created) truth.
     Added Significance - ALTER-ISNESS - persisting truth
     Denial of desirability, question asking - MORE ALTER-ISNESS - persisting lie
     Use of Force to make nothing of - NOT-ISNESS - vanishing lie.

     The above is all THEORY until you have tested it out.  It
indicates a clear path to produce changes in a pc or one's own life.
If it doesn't work, then its probably wrong.  If it does work, then
its probably a good bet its worth knowing and developing.
 
     Remember at best all THEORY's are persisting truths.
 
     Homer

Fri Sep 16 00:54:57 EDT 2005