************************************************************************ The following first appeared in the private email list IVy-subscribers, which is available to all those who subscribe to the printed magazine, International Viewpoints. Home Page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ - with extensive links to FZ! ************************************************************************ X-Authentication-Warning: gem.lightlink.com: majordom set sender to owner-ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com using -f Received: from mx.lightlink.com (mx.lightlink.com [205.232.34.15]) by gem.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26923 for Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:27:47 -0400 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by mx.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07499 for Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:27:46 -0400 From: PJSpickler@aol.com Received: from PJSpickler@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id q.ca.f70617d (4539) for Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:27:42 EDT Subject: IVySubs: MESTics and Mystics To: ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 85 Sender: owner-ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com Precedence: bulk ** ivy-subscribers relaying ** Dear fellow members of the IVy Subscribers List, I'm sure that the title of this posting has already caused some people, who shall go unnamed, to anticipate, nay, even KNOW, what I'm about to say. And that's a large part of the fun of being a member of this illustrious group. It's very easy, in my opinion, to get the impression that L. Ron Hubbard, philosophically speaking, has generated a duality when he refers to theta and MEST. And so, over the years, many newly arrived in the subject of Scientology have come to embrace this apparent duality, and think of both theta and MEST as being separate and discrete, one the stuff of soul, spirit, or consciousness, and the other in a sense its opposite: MEST, an acronym for Matter, Energy, Space and Time. Some folks have even concluded (could be a bognition) that theta is good and MEST, particularly that bad old evil MEST universe, is not good. Well, holding such ideas may be fun, possibly even profitable, especially if you can get people interested in or excited by the idea that there is a way to escape from the trap of MEST, and that for the small sum of your life savings and an extra mortgage on your house, spouse, and children, you can buy this route which promises to take you to the questionable state of Totally Free. But marketing and promotion that goes in that direction might tend to get you thinking that MEST and the MEST universe are indeed very bad and that the Theta Universe, the universe of theta, is very, very good. And so we have something that is similar, I blush to admit, to some other religions' notions of Heaven and Hell. Fortunately, the big secret about the apparent dualism that may be thought to exist between theta and MEST actually sits right out in the open, to be found by anyone who is willing and able to have a look at Scientology Axioms, where we find the defining fundamentals of Scientology and that which these Axioms seek to describe. So here's the axiom that abolishes duality and dualism once and for all, and if you work on this axiom long enough to really understand it, will, I promise you, make possible some big understanding, some big cognitions, etc. etc. The axiom simply states that Life is a game wherein Theta as the Static solves the problems of Theta as MEST (Axiom 48). So now, right in front of your eyes in simple words, this axiom, or what we hope will become a self-evident truth, makes it quite clear that what we really have is a unity, not a duality. It's all theta, and good old playful theta, in order for there to be a game called Life, since it can mock itself up in any form by simply so postulating, makes itself appear to be Matter, Energy, Space, and Time. And thus the interplay between theta and this apparent different thing called MEST, which is really theta in disguise, makes the big game called Life. I shall conclude this brief posting, lest we overrun the obvious, and hope that, for those who find this a revelation, that you will spend some time reorganizing your standard files and cleaning up the disinformation and incorrect conclusions that one might be operating on in view of this axiom. And remember that the next time you're looking at the garbage dump or seeing offal in the street, or some really horrible thing or person, what you're really looking at is theta at play, pretending to be all these interesting shapes and forms just so that the game can be possible. 'Cause as you already know, if all theta was just being Static, which it really is when it's not pretending to be something else, there wouldn't be anything -- and by gosh, that is no fun at all. If you don't believe me, try it. Just hike yourself back to the Static before it emanated anything, when it wasn't being anything, and you just see if that's any fun at all, and let us know. Good night -- Phil P.S. Just a reminder: according to Mr. Hubbard, all games are aberrative. Some are fun. ** Home Page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ - with extensive links to FZ! ** ********************************** Editor's note: I have got permission to include one of the comments on the above letter: ************************************** X-Authentication-Warning: gem.lightlink.com: majordom set sender to owner-ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com using -f Received: from mx.lightlink.com (mx.lightlink.com [205.232.34.15]) by gem.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29696 for Fri, 2 Aug 2002 05:25:39 -0400 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mx.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02115 for Fri, 2 Aug 2002 05:25:39 -0400 From: MillsColinS@aol.com Received: from MillsColinS@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id q.174.c4db572 (4394) for Fri, 2 Aug 2002 05:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <174.c4db572.2a7baa0e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 05:25:34 EDT Subject: IVySubs: mestics and mystics To: ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_174.c4db572.2a7baa0e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Sender: owner-ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com Precedence: bulk Wonderful article Phil wrote and I totally agree with what he says. Our universe is spiritual - all of it - even that clod of dirt has some form of consciousness. However there is a ongoing disagreement I have with most folks from the old school and that is to become a pure static is boring, no fun, no game etc. And while I am the first to agree that from our viewpoint of being surrounded by mest, being without a game is seemingly the worst form of punishment. (Think depressing here!!.) But some of you have already won at the game of acquiring all we wanted to achieve in the game of the mest universe, we found physical love, we acquired the toys we wanted and providing we can BE that mest and have it if we want it (and not have weird considerations about how bad it is.) we have to a large extent conquered it. The next level of game then becomes 'How can I help raise those up to a higher level of understanding?' Thus we expand our spiritual horizons even further by helping others. That game will take some time! But that game in time will finish and one can maybe assume we would have reached the point of 'static' i.e. no game. The failing of those who perceive this as a 'no game' are overlooking one point. It is completely and utterly beyond our framework of thinking to perceive such a state other than from our present reality. A thousand years ago nobody could have imagined the 21st century as we have it now - it was beyond comprehension. So how can we possible look at how life will be in a million or more years from our limited reality of now? It seems to many that this 'loss of game' by becoming a static is threatening - there will just be a new 'game' beyond our framework of thinking. I rest my case :-) Colin www.whatmakesyoutick.org PH. 01494 769017 *************************************************