CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote: >"Ego" is a very ambiguous word in the history of psychology, world >religions, and metaphysics. Sometimes it has a positive healthy >connotation akin to soul or healthy individuality, other times it has an >undesirable or derogatory connotation akin to arrogance or >worldly-physicalworld self. So you have to know a tradition and how it >defines "ego", not mix traditions or desirable/undesirable connotations >and have broad historical awareness when you hear the term. >Prayer, meditation, contemplation, prayer intentions, postulates, >affirmations are a complex set of subjects. There is great danger that >one from outside of a tradition will misdefine and misunderstand, and then >argue against his own misdefinition and misunderstanding, with the >questionable purpose of setting his own view off against or in contrast to >some other view that he has now in effect trashed. >My preferred interpretation of Scn "thetan" is more like Hindu "atman" or >pure consciousness, spirit. >And I understand "theta" as spiritual substance in a classical sense. >But I've been told countless times that my understanding on these misses >LRH's view/definition. My view is more like Scn if I had invented it. >Sort of like the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) - the group that >acts out days from the middle ages as they should have been lived. >I think however that LRH modeled "thetan" in large part on, or was >inspired by, Kant's "transcendental unity of apperception." >My partial definition of Kant's "transcendental unity of apperception" >is a self that is a priori or prior and beyond sense experience and >logic, with an ability to look AT the contents of thought, and includes >self-consciousness or self awareness. This was a step beyond Descartes' >systematic doubt and his "I think, therefore I am." So what is prior to >and beyond sense experience and logic? Traditionally that would be >spirit, self as spirit. >In Scn, sometimes ego in an undesirable sense as in arrogance or excessive >pride or narcissism etc. get tangled up with thetan. I consider that a >liability and a failure to differentiate, but it does make for certain >kinds of "games" in life, people having an experience, and all who stand >witness then have an opportunity to see the consequences, how all that >tends to unfold. As Phil would say, "People are doing their demo in >life." >Carol >jacksonmoore69@hotmail.com wrote: >>Please help me understand >>By auditing the past we are clearing the losses of the "being" >>individual. Of course this is placing "share of attention" on these >>areas of Duress and we of course can expect future slumps after >>auditing as a result. (A thetan creates what they postulate and >>validates whatever they put their attention on) >>It appears that the Thetan realises with more clarity that they are >>'source' and do not need to Prayer or Connect to a source point. >>Is this the premise behind all auditing type schools?? >>On the other hand - there are those that use the brotherhood of the >>universe - the infinite energy - an with meditation and intention, >>prayer and whatever ...do well in life. >>A true Scientologist may beleive they are falling into the oneness >>trap...a long term trap. >>However many people in a very loving way - say how many wins they have >>had from this path... >>Hardcore scios are the first to ridge against most other non scio >>things including oneness - we know they are awkward to be around and >>we know they have individuated. >>In Jungian or any other ology - this is the ego talking. >>Are we supposed ti audit this ego and make IT more aware...simply >>because.. >>WE THINK WE ARE A THETAN - THE I ....NOT PART OF AN OTHER... >>A few of you guys have said that god is a duality and we are both "at >>one" and "ourselves" simultaneously.. >>Or is it more correct to say... >>"we are all connected to the infinite...but we are all individual and >>this is how the glory of the infinite realises its own wonder..." or >>some stuff like that >>And if one person wants to exteriorise and realise they ARE a thetan >>(ie exteriorise the EGO to validate erroneously that we are super >>individual) then they may be subject to the ultimate CON >>That we can enforce everlasting life by empowering the ego through >>auditing the ?thetan? so that this ego can have everlasting life which >>was the original erroneous goal of the ego in teh original scriptures >>(refer to the story of aladdin and the lamp - aladin is the poor boy >>that wants to improve his lot by askiing the infinite wisdom, genie, >>BUT the bad guy wants the lamp for himself to have all the power for >>himself and thus wishes he has all the power of the genie and is thus >>destroyed in the attempt) >>This is the ancient way of describing hw the ego realises it can have >>the knowledge of GOD AS the ego instead f connecting with source. >>On the tone scale we may easily say - well at tone 400 (not tone 40) >>400!!, you are the one source (hyperthetically) - But that is theory. >>Are we just trying to enforce everlasting life by figuring out HOW the >>ego (thetan) failed in past eons..when we should be validating TRUE >>SELF.. straight off and placing most attention on that and ignoring >>most of the negative other than giving it acks.. >>TRUE SELF??? - is this the being that is part of the whole magic of >>the universe and can make an impact onteh universe with infinite >>loving power. With no ego and unlimited forgiveness and love can we >>use the theta energy or whatever you want to call it to truly move >>mountains...Shift galaxies (lovingly). >>Do WE live forever - operative word WE collectively and simply ebb and >>flow from each other...am I truly NOT YOU (i don't think so) - this is >>even proven in Scientology as auditing case from a % of the population >>is enough to handle the condition. >>Thanks for reading -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink (607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com Wed Feb 21 21:47:22 EST 2007