The following appeared on the private Internet list for those who subscribe to the paper magazine, IVy (International Viewpoints) see http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ ************************************* [The background is that Mark sent to the list a fairly long letter saying that he was leaving the list becasue there was little life in the list, and mentioning that when he did write to the list he got no acknowledgement or comment. Mark asked to be taken off, was told how to take himself off, and had done so before thie following letter came through. There is an IVy list at the moment (2005) studying the PDC lectures) Ant] From: jandjrowles@juno.com Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBLCLNLAQNSFV2 for (sender ); Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:09:46 -0700 (PDT) To: ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:08:48 -0700 Subject: Re: IVySubs: The list and Mark's comments. Message-ID: <20050603.210849.3380.0.jandjrowles@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,10-11,14-15,21-22,32-33,37-38 Sender: owner-ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com Precedence: bulk ** ivy-subscribers relaying ** Dear Ant and Mark; What I saw occurring in your communications was just the reason I continue to read and occasionally respond/originate to this list. There is a restrained, thoughtful and respectful acknowledgement of another's viewpoint, and then an origination from your/another viewpoint. It has to do with clean communication, honest duplication, and validation. I envision such clean communication as being a reflection of individuals who have attained Independent Beings, and this format is their way, as they come down, to communicate. Reference 22Dec1960, O--W a Limited Theory, there was a list I recently posted here. This I take to indicate a mature and seasoned format, the IVy list, that appeals to me (am I giving away that I am getting up in years and the fires that drive youth are cooled?). When I have posed a question on the list, as to what tech did anyone have on dying that enhanced or complimented the Tibetan books on the subject, I have gotten responses that were most welcome and useful. From time to time I have responded to another's question or problem, and in these instances I have drafted a response and then edited it several times to get it right before I send the e-mail. Further along in the PDC tapes, (we are currently listening to #37), Ron posed the question to the attendees..... do you wonder why there are only 27( or whatever the number was) of you here that are listening to these lectures? ... There will NEVER be great hordes of people seeking truth at this level. The old man was not joking. Of ALL the people I made contact with from 1967 to 1982 when I was active in the church, less than 20-30 are still active----- in or out of the church. It is not that we are elitist, it is simply that there are few who wish to hew close to the road Ron generated and to gain a matured viewpoint of what truths Ron was pointing us towards. And who persist. I do read other formats on the web, and I do entertain differing approaches and viewpoints, but I am most happy to have this list to read and write to, and I do so with the respect that I would give an auditing session. Best, Jim PS. As an additional thought I refer again to Ron and the PDC lectures, the one on games. A thetan has two rights: The right to one's own sanity; And, a right to leave a game. So Mark's leaving was clean and your release of him from this game was also clean. This shows the rest of us how free and independent beings might behave. ** Originations, comments, to the list, send to ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com Home Page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ - with extensive links to FZ! ** ############### Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:48:55 +0200 To: ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com From: Martin Foster Subject: Re: IVySubs: and Other sites. In-Reply-To: <20050603.210849.3380.0.jandjrowles@juno.com> References: <20050603.210849.3380.0.jandjrowles@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com Precedence: bulk ** ivy-subscribers relaying ** At 04/06/2005 06:08 AM Saturday, jandjrowles@juno.com wrote: >I do read other formats on the web, and I do entertain differing >approaches and viewpoints, but I am most happy to have this list to read >and write to, and I do so with the respect that I would give an auditing >session. I agree Jim, Ivy subs is "home". I, too, have sojourned on other sites. After spending time on "The society of voluble victims", "The Chaperones of the Chronicles" and "The new Discoverer's" I need to come home to the sanity of Ivy. Martin ** Originations, comments, to the list, send to ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com Home Page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ - with extensive links to FZ! ** Mon Jun 6 02:14:56 EDT 2005