************** The following message were first sent to the list ivy-subscribers, a private Internet list available to all who subscribe to the (on paper) clearing tech magazine, International Viewpoints. They form pat of a longer thread. The contributors below come from Austria, Italy and USA (For data on the magazine see http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ or write the editor: ivy@post8.tele.dk) (Grade 0, Zero, is the Church of Scientologys designation for processes dealing with communication) ************* Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:30:31 -0800 To: "" Subject: IVySubs: Grade O From: "Chloe " Sender: owner-ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com ** ivy-subscribers relaying ** I have noted the recent conversation about out-grade zero. I disagree. At issue was the discussion of sex on this board. There are other factors that fashion the discussion of any one subject that have nothing to do with grade 0. Grade 0 addresses the willingness to deliver or receive or observe a communication on any subject. Other factors include: appropriateness: it's been an ethics cognition of mine, that communication is for the creation of effect; therefore it behoves one to put attention on the effect to be created rather than on dumping out what you want to say! There is the TR factor: observing that a person is ready to receive a comm - or a specific type of comm. case on life: if a person having personal problems at home, insisted on talking at work about those problems, that person would end up with production problems and alienated co-workers and bosses. This is a special category of "appropriateness". I am willing to have people venture forth statements about difficulties they are harboring with the possibility I can help in some way, or point them in the right direction. I wouldn't want that kind of comm to take over the comm line tho. I'd be willing to venture forth some of my difficulties and upsets in the possibility someone else will pick up on it and give me a hand up. Elsewise, that comm belongs in session or in an ethics handling. Dev-t: Another type of inappropriate. The fact that I've done Grade 0 doesn't imply I am required to accept unwanted comm. Compulsion: Compulsive conversation on any topic is dev-t. For any "hot" topic you might want to test for appropriateness by first venturing forth a light comm that might get attacked. Then you know where your audience is at, and can approach the subject in an acceptable manner. (This is presuming the effect you want is bring about a pro-survival discussion. It is also possible, you WANT to cause a melee. In which case this step may be irrelevant.) Well, that's my 2 bits! Chloe ***************************** From: "Luca" To: Subject: for Cloe Re: IVySubs: Grade O Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:50:13 +0100 ** ivy-subscribers relaying ** Whist the theoretical issue you are making, Cloe, finds myself absolutely in agreement, it happens that this is a list of processors and/or of people pursuing personal enlightenment: searchers in other words. Such being the case, a very fundamental topic of aberrations could and actually should be discussed more deeply and thoroughly than it actually is. I personally don't care much, because I have found a way which I find "reasonable". While "reasonable" is an awful concept in a scientological environment indeed, after having had social intercourse with some hundreds (at least) of scientologists and ex-scientologists, I standardly drop sex as a subject, because the Church has indoctrinated almost all to such a bigotry that it is MUCH easier to drop altogether the subject that to discuss it. One has to put such an amount of "distinguos" before to say the most simple thing about the subject, that, my god, drop it!!!! Americans have it even worse than the usual European Scientologist, but they are sitting in a all-permeating mediatic dichotomy of "sex and violence" against "purity and pattycake attitude". As there are plenty of others subjects to discuss I am not much interested in discussing it with people who are afraid of it. But I would point out that in session the vast majority of sessions does concern ..... What? Eh? I didn't hear well the word... :-) I had to pursue research on the topic after leaving scientology, to be able to handle bits of case that otherwise would be solid like rock. Wilhelm Reich for instance (of whom LRH had a big respect) did a very thourough research on it. The standard HCOB in the church, instead, is a fake HCOB of LRH named Pain and Sex (beginning 80s) which establishes once and for all that sex is caused by implants, when in my opinion, since the first cell, is the evident basic pulsion of all living and livingness. What happens is that all the media USE sex to leverage social implants, and that should be looked thoroughly into, but sex in itself is a rather pure and appropriate living force. before the media the same mechanics was used by the various Churches... Now is spring: just look at a blooming apple tree. I suggest a recent book by Susan Blackmore entitled "The meme machine" (Oxford press). [Meme: an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture Merriam Websterr Collegiate Dictionary)] While Dr Blacmore is a neat materialist, her analysis is a very interesting one (theory of the evolution)(she speaks almost nothing of sex, but I find it very pertinent to this thread). I found it very instructive. And this is my little bit. ARC Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chloe " To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: IVySubs: Grade O [snipped - see above] ************************ From: Heidrun Beer To: ivy-subscribers@lightlink.com Subject: Re: for Cloe Re: IVySubs: Grade O Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:17:30 GMT ** ivy-subscribers relaying ** On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:50:13 +0100, Luca wrote in <002301c2f3d0$eabe1c70$298e0001@plutovpuzqwn76>: >** ivy-subscribers relaying ** >Whist the theoretical issue you are making, Cloe, finds myself absolutely in >agreement, it happens that this is a list of processors and/or of people >pursuing personal enlightment: searchers in other words. I think the matter could be summarized this way: LRH groups theta beings into basically two categories: "Theta the Problem" and "Theta the Solver". He is not specific about the methods used to solve the problem(s) here. It is more a general attitude or basic configuration of a person which will lead to the selection of adequate tools as part of the solution. I always thought that processors, and generally the people on this list belong to the "Theta the Solver" group, whereas taboos in general and specifically irrationality in sex issues would be an indicator of the "Theta the Problem" group. Like the red rash is an indicator for measles which gives an immediate first warning. It is always a danger that a problem is contagious and a person or persons from the solver group wander into the problem group because they have not taken care of protecting themselves. I don't think that Ivy-subscribers can be considered a typical public group. If that were the case, of course we would have to be careful to not further restimulate an already badly restimulated topic. But in my reality, Ivy-subscribers is a group of solvers who communicate about how to solve the problems of the theta universe in its present time condition. It is a very specific group of healers, not a mixed public group. A meeting place where doctors talk cures, well separated from the public areas in a hospital. Watching taboos in general and touchiness in sexual matters becoming part of the behaviour rules in this group is like watching a measles outbreak in a hospital canteen. It is no longer a safe place and in fact the solvers are in the process of becoming part of the problem! If I am certain of my immunity, I still can spend my time there without getting sick, but I doubt that it will be a very efficient solver group from there on. So if some of the doctors decide to find themselves a non-contaminated hospital, they cannot be blamed. Heidrun Beer Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training http://www.sgmt.at ** Home Page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ - with extensive links to FZ! **