Nick (nburkacki@nospamyahoo.com) wrote: >So basically what your saying is, if I ever see you stranded on the side of >the road cause your battery died. I should just keep going rather than >offer you my charity? Well one presumes you are your way to do something of importance in the world, perhaps helping me fits into that need perhaps not. If you are racing to a fire to save lives, then by all means pass me by. The point is not to squander one's help, help is investment, investing in first in line beggars is not a good investment policy. I suggest you re read what I wrote without a need to make it wrong, you might actually understand it. >If you die (get mugged, ran over, etc..) on the way >to the gas station 20 miles away, it's just survival of the fittest, think >nothing of it. Well, I'd rather give you a hand and help you get on your >way (Wouldn't expect anything in return, neither). If you give without expecting anything in return then one day you will have nothing left. Life is investment, sow and reap cycles, you can plant stones in the ground all day long, but you get nothing in return, better to plant seeds. You OWE it to others who have helped you to make sure that your investment cycles produce a positive return. Those that squander their energy alotment, end up with nothing, and they die or become a weight around other's production, and those that helped them wasted their life energy in a negative return proposition. >If we go under the assumption that we are all from one being (Static, Ain >Sof, whatever) than it's only logical that everytime we give help, we are >also helping ourselves. No, if you have a lot of money and give it all to the poor, they will squander it and then we will all be poor. 'Help' is more than just giving away afluence to first in line beggars/squanderers, help is *INVESTMENT*, it is helping others sow and reap a positive return so that they too can become of positive worth to the cosmic GNP. You must not only expect a return you must demand it and make sure you get it. It doesn't have to be short term return, it can be long term return, it can take a million years to come back to you, it can merely be that civilization became better because the person you helped did something of positive net return after you helped him. But if you just give away your affluence, to those that are not producing a positive return, then you will squandered your alotment and you will die being a negative return being yourself. I understand from your posts that you suspect that >the human race is Gods conscious (or is it unconscious) dream. I share that >suspicion, but if that's the case, wouldn't giving pure untainted help be >more pleasing to God than requiring an exchange for that help? Isn't that >why Karma is such a powerful force? Help is investment, it is investing in other's abilitys and skills to invest, to sow and reap a positive profit return in the Sun/Earth system. I don't know what you mean by untained help, but if you mean giving all you have to first in line beggars, then you and they will shortly have nothing. That is why people must bid for goods, they don't get them simply because they were first in line at the marketplace. Giving to first in liners is a *VERY* bad investment policy. Once you have created affluence through intelligent investment and sow and reap cycles, then you can afford to give to first in liners as pure untainted charity, "Here go waste this too." >On the other hand, help should be a choice, a choice that's made by a >persons current spirituality and their means, it should not be a Government >requirement. Government requirements limit freedom of choice and inhibit >spiritual growth. Nuts to the Gov't. :-) Government gives help to first in liners, it squanders the production of the productive and gives it to the non productive or negative producer. Homer >Nick >> Fredric L. Rice (FRice@LinkLine.COM) wrote: >> >On 9 Jun 1999 22:06:13 -0400, ralph@hilton.org (Ralph Hilton) wrote: >> >> >>Rubbish. Here people who wish to belong to the established Church have >to >> >>pay tithes. >> >> >That's a travesty of the idea of helping others. >> >> Help is not charity. >> >> All of life activities is help, people co producing and co >> exchanging what they have produced. >> >> Charity is a very small subset of help. >> >> Help is people helping *EACH OTHER*. >> >> There is an implicit exchange involved. >> >> Whether two people help each other through co auditing, or one >> audits another professionally and the other pays for it with money or >> bartered services, its always a paid for exchange. >> >> Even offerings of charity should not go necessarily to those >> first in line asking for a hand out. It should be doled to those who >> are most likely to make a return. >> >> In a welfare society where everyone has a right to live >> regardless of their ability to live, or exchange for help, it becomes >> fashionable to think that people should just hand out their work and >> produce to the first beggar in line. >> >> In this road is death, as it disrupts Darwinian selection of the >> survival of the fittest. Fittest becomes defined as those most >> capable of getting first in line, even over other's dead bodies, and >> asking for or taking the biggest handout. >> >> "The Foundation of Life is Fair Chosen Exchange." >> >> Homer >> >> ================ http://www.clearing.org ==================== >> Thu Apr 19 21:13:06 EDT 2001 >> ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/homer/hom47.memo >> Send mail to archive@lightlink.com saying help >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Homer Wilson Smith The paths of lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink >> (607) 277-0959 cross in Internet Access, Ithaca NY >> homer@lightlink.com the line of duty. http://www.lightlink.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homer Wilson Smith Clean Air, Clear Water, Art Matrix - Lightlink (607) 277-0959 A Green Earth and Peace. Internet Access, Ithaca NY homer@lightlink.com Is that too much to ask? http://www.lightlink.com