PARENTAL ABUSE The idea that parental abuse has nothing to do with the way a child turns out is of course absurd. We may say that child hood mistreatment doesn't legally or morally 'excuse' later adult behavior, as the decision to become criminal or insane rests with the person, but if we want to DO something about it, we might consider taking a look at the parents and the abuse they are heaping upon the child, at the 'bitch that bore him' so to speak. Once someone elects themselves to be an effect, they can be effected! Clearly anyone born of women has elected themselves to be an effect, of the baby body, of the upbringing etc, and so will follow the path of one who considers himself an effect. Yes the child is reponsible for its condition, it chose to be an effect along with everyone else in the human race. And in doing so we all agreed to treat each other decently because we were all vulnerable. So the child is not an innocent victim because he chose to walk into that gallery of abuse, but the parents violated the agreements of decency so they are in fact guilty per agreement. All Adore is saying is that the first guilty crime of any import against a *MORTAL* male is the effort of the *MORTAL* mother to stop herself and him from developeing their male phase attributes and refusing to operate in the male those attributes to the benefit of her own needs as a woman. She denies her need of the man, and denies his ability to fullfill those needs. Homer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink (607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com